Ummon said, "The real Emptiness
does not destroy things; the real
Emptiness is not different from
Then a monk asked him, "What is
the real Emptiness?"
Ummon said, "Do you hear the
sound of a bell?"
"That's the sound of a bell," said the
"Even when you have reached the
year of the Donkey, will you still be
dreaming?" asked Ummon.