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HOW TWO ED USERS (BANNED WIKIPEDIANS) FOUGHT METAPEDIA
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Michaeldsuarez
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How two ED users (banned Wikipedians) fought
Metapedia
This story begins with that of Basileus and Mikemikev, but I
already spent a great deal of time writing about them at ED. For
information on Basileus, click him. For information on
Mikemikev, click here.

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Instead, let's start with the story of "Onion_hotdog".
"Onion_hotdog" was mainly interested in discredited theories
regarding race and origins. In August 2012, Onion_hotdog
joined Metapedia as "Atlantid". Onion_hotdog / Atlantid entered
a heated argument with Dougweller, and Onion_hotdog /
Atlantid created an attack article at Metapedia. This resulted in
an ANI thread, and Onion_hotdog was banned from Wikipedia.
Soon afterwards, Onion_hotdog / Atlantid was made a sysop at
Metapedia.
In 2013, Atlandid apparently regretted creating the Dougweller
article and deleted it (although a Stormfront user recreated the
article a year later). 2013 would be Atlandid's final year at
Wikipedia. Mikemikev had joined Metapedia a year earlier, and by
November 15, 2013, Mikemikev and Atlantid were practically at
war.
On November 26, 2013, Atlantid joined Encyclopedia Dramatica
as "Morpheus" and brought up the subject of Mikemikev on the
talk page of Encyclopedia Dramatica's "Metapedia" article. I
responded by creating an ED article on Mikemikev.
In December 2013, Atlantid "renounced most [his or her]
former views" and quit Metapedia. Afterwards, Atlantid spent a
great deal of time on ED under various usernames, including
Morpheus, Dale, HaraldBluetooth, Linny, Krom, and currently,
Elvenite.
In March 2014, Mikemikev was banned from Metapedia for

writing an attack article on the "Stumble Inn" forum.
---Now back to December 2014, while watching and researching
Mikemikev's activities on Metapedia, I became interested in a
Metapedia sysop called "Basileus, who is responsible for
Metapedia's attack articles on Wikipedians. After becoming
certain that Basileus was "Yorkshirian" at Wikipedia, I created
an article on him.
---By September 2014, Atlantid was using "Krom" and "Krom2" as
his ED pseudonym. "Krom" would also become Atlantid's
account name at the nordisk.nu forum, where Metapedia's
Swedish masters hang out. In November 2014, Altantid / Krom
would use this forum account to convince Daniel F. / Aurvandil
to desysop Hu1. Having had Hu1 desysopped, Krom recently
went on to have Basileus desysopped. In addition, Aurvandil
deleted Basileus' articles on Orangemike and Snowded:
http://en.metapedia.org/m/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&
type=delete&page=Orangemike
http://en.metapedia.org/m/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&
type=delete&page=Dave_Snowden
I don't believe that Krom would've acted against Basileus if
Krom hadn't read the ED article that I wrote on Basileus.
---In conclusion, the Wikipedians have ED, Atlantid / Krom /
Elvenite, and me to thank for the ouster of Basileus and the
deletion of Basileus' articles on Orangemike and Snowded.
Note: I'm posting this in the private section so that the
Metapedia users don't find this via Google, realize that they were
duped by Krom, and reinstate Hu1 and Basileus as sysops.
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Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:18 am

EricBarbour
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Re: How two ED users (banned Wikipedians) fought
Metapedia
Interesting, though somewhat trivial. Which other "prominent
Wikipedians" have been discussed, outed or attacked on
Metapedia? Not that it can be considered "trustworthy"
information, I ask purely for for my own amusement.
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Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:36 am

Poetlister
Habitué

Re: How two ED users (banned Wikipedians) fought
Metapedia
Michaeldsuarez wrote:

Note: I'm posting this in the private section so that the
Metapedia users don't find this via Google, realize that
they were duped by Krom, and reinstate Hu1 and
Basileus as sysops.

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This is a bit dangerous. How likely is it that there are no
Metapedia users here?
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Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:45 am

Michaeldsuarez
Habitué

Re: How two ED users (banned Wikipedians) fought
Metapedia
After I complained to Krom / Elevenite about Metapedia only
deleting two article, Krom decided to go back to nordisk.nu and
have the rest of the articles deleted.
Basileus' articles on Will Beback, Bobfrombrockley, Kathryn
NicDhàna, Jacob Bard-Rosenberg, RolandR, and Damac are now
deleted:

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http://en.metapedia.org/m/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&
type=delete&page=Will_McWhinney_Jr.
http://en.metapedia.org/m/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&
type=delete&page=Bob_from_Brockley
http://en.metapedia.org/m/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&
type=delete&page=Kathryn_Price
http://en.metapedia.org/m/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&
type=delete&page=Jacob_Bard-Rosenberg

http://en.metapedia.org/m/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&
type=delete&page=Roland_Rance
http://en.metapedia.org/m/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&
type=delete&page=Damian_Mac_Con_Uladh
Basileus' article on Chip Berlet was also briefly deleted, and its
introduction has been revised.

EricBarbour wrote:

Interesting, though somewhat trivial. Which other
"prominent Wikipedians" have been discussed, outed
or attacked on Metapedia? Not that it can be
considered "trustworthy" information, I ask purely for
for my own amusement.

See the above. As far as I'm aware Basileus hasn't outed a
Wikipedian. Basileus only wrote articles on Wikipedians whose
real names were obvious or already available on Wikipedia or
elsewhere.

Poetlister wrote:
Michaeldsuarez wrote:

Note: I'm posting this in the private section so
that the Metapedia users don't find this via
Google, realize that they were duped by Krom,
and reinstate Hu1 and Basileus as sysops.
This is a bit dangerous. How likely is it that there are
no Metapedia users here?

I haven't seen anyone here behave like the typical Metapedia
user. In addition, the amount of users currently active on the
English Metapedia is in the single digits. They don't have the
numbers to be widespread.
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Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:53 pm

Michaeldsuarez
Habitué

Re: How two ED users (banned Wikipedians) fought
Metapedia
Michaeldsuarez wrote:

In 2013, Atlandid apparently regretted creating the
Dougweller article and deleted it (although a
Stormfront user recreated the article a year later).

Update: Good news: The "Dougweller" article has been deleted
from Metapedia for good.
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Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:55 am

Michaeldsuarez
Habitué

Re: How two ED users (banned Wikipedians) fought
Metapedia
There's currently some in-fighting at Metapedia with former
sysops A Wyatt Man and Hu1 on one side and new sysop
Upplysning and leader Daniel F. on the other side:
"User:Vir in the English section"
"I have been sorting copyright images and so Upplysning
desysopped me for this"

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"Upplysning wants Metapedia destroyed. I believe Daniel F. does
too."
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Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:47 pm

Anthonyhcole
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Re: How two ED users (banned Wikipedians) fought
Metapedia

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Sun Nov 30, 2014 5:44 pm

Michaeldsuarez
Habitué

Re: How two ED users (banned Wikipedians) fought
Metapedia
Four former sysops are banned from Metapedia for good:
http://en.metapedia.org
/m/index.php?title=User_talk:Aurvandil&diff=384215&
oldid=383906

Quote:

==Banning of Administrators==
Does the banning of Hu1, Basileus, A Wyatt Man, and
Galileo meet your approval? What instructions did you
relay to Upplysning? - [[User:NatAll75|NatAll75]]
19:52, 30 November 2014 (CET)

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:Yes, they do. He provided me with the same reasons
as are stated on their talk pages, and I gave him my
approval to ban them. I gave Upplysning instructions
to help clean up the English Metapedia edition from
violations of our guidelines and policies. Since the
English Metapedia for logical reasons serves as a
model for many other new Metapedia editions, and is
often the first Metapedia site that new readers visit, it
is high time that we turn this site into a model
encyclopedia, worthy to be the flagship for the
Metapedia project. (And it would be great if you could
help out, with for example removing copyrighted
images and improving the quality of articles you come
across.) --[[User:Aurvandil|Aurvandil]] 23:52, 1
December 2014 (CET)

Aurvandil's affirmation of the bans means that the bans are
unlikely to be reversed.
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Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:21 am

EricBarbour
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Re: How two ED users (banned Wikipedians) fought
Metapedia
This would be more interesting to me, if I had more background
info on the personalities involved. Metapedia is even more
opaque than Wikipedia, Conservapedia, or RW, as well as not
being especially popular. I seriously wonder why they keep it
online.
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Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:20 am

Michaeldsuarez
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Re: How two ED users (banned Wikipedians) fought
Metapedia
http://radicalbritain.blogspot.com/2014/12/basileus-reduxnot-even-metapedia-wants.html
The "Britain is Radical" blog has written about the demise of
Basileus, Hu1, and A Wyatt Man.
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Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:35 am

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Re: How two ED users (banned Wikipedians) fought
Metapedia
I was unfamiliar with metapedia and was curious about this
topic so I went and looked and I notice a couple things about
this Metapedia site that I find interesting.
Once they banned those admins, the admins started deleting all
the content that those banned admins created and were the sole
editors of. Thousands and thousands of articles (seems on par
with comments about destroying the project to me).
I also note that in order to register for that site, the requester
needs to send an email and an admin will create them an
account when they get around to it. I don't really like that and
personally won't be participating there.

Fri Dec 12, 2014 3:22 pm

Michaeldsuarez
Habitué

Re: How two ED users (banned Wikipedians) fought
Metapedia
MurderofCrows wrote:

I also note that in order to register for that site, the
requester needs to send an email and an admin will
create them an account when they get around to it. I
don't really like that and personally won't be
participating there.

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There are a million better reasons for sane, rational people not
to join Metapedia. The first among those reasons is that
Metapedia is a white supremacist website.
Registration was open to anyone prior to June 2013. The

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Michaeldsuarez

change came about as a result of this discussion.
However, even before June 2013, it was nearly impossible to join
Metapedia. Back then, a bot operated by Hu1 called "Enadmin"
would block 99.9% of all new accounts before they even started
editing. Enadmin didn't use CheckUser to determine which
accounts to block; instead, it used the amount of time between
the creation of accounts to make the decision, which was pretty
dumb. If an account was created a few seconds or minutes after
("too near to") another account, both of those accounts would
be blocked, and since spam bots were creating accounts all the
time, every human account was created "too near" in time to a
spam account, so everyone was blocked. Racists are idiots.
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Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:52 pm

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Re: How two ED users (banned Wikipedians) fought
Metapedia
Michaeldsuarez wrote:
MurderofCrows wrote:

I also note that in order to register for that site,
the requester needs to send an email and an
admin will create them an account when they
get around to it. I don't really like that and
personally won't be participating there.

There are a million better reasons for sane, rational
people not to join Metapedia. The first among those
reasons is that Metapedia is a white supremacist
website.
Registration was open to anyone prior to June 2013.
The change came about as a result of this discussion.
However, even before June 2013, it was nearly
impossible to join Metapedia. Back then, a bot
operated by Hu1 called "Enadmin" would block 99.9%
of all new accounts before they even started editing.
Enadmin didn't use CheckUser to determine which
accounts to block; instead, it used the amount of time
between the creation of accounts to make the
decision, which was pretty dumb. If an account was
created a few seconds or minutes after ("too near to")
another account, both of those accounts would be
blocked, and since spam bots were creating accounts
all the time, every human account was created "too
near" in time to a spam account, so everyone was
blocked. Racists are idiots.

Wow, I didn't know all that. I did learn though that Hu1 and their
bot are permenantly banned from there though. It also appears
that they are going through and deleting all the articles they
created. So maybe they are cleaning house and trying to fix
things. I'm really just guessing, because I never heard of the site
before today, but who knows.

Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:18 am

Michaeldsuarez
Habitué

Re: How two ED users (banned Wikipedians) fought
Metapedia
MurderofCrows wrote:

Wow, I didn't know all that. I did learn though that
Hu1 and their bot are permenantly banned from there
though. It also appears that they are going through
and deleting all the articles they created. So maybe
they are cleaning house and trying to fix things. I'm
really just guessing, because I never heard of the site
before today, but who knows.
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They're deleting articles that were copied from Wikipedia.
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Sat Dec 13, 2014 4:27 am

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Re: How two ED users (banned Wikipedians) fought
Metapedia
Michaeldsuarez wrote:
MurderofCrows wrote:

Wow, I didn't know all that. I did learn though
that Hu1 and their bot are permenantly banned
from there though. It also appears that they are
going through and deleting all the articles they
created. So maybe they are cleaning house and
trying to fix things. I'm really just guessing,
because I never heard of the site before today,
but who knows.

They're deleting articles that were copied from
Wikipedia.

Thats common though. Other than the extra garbage templates
and categories, wikipedia has been around longer so its often
used as a starting point for wikis. Why recreate the article when
you can import it and build on it from there.


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