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Answers to questions concerning Desteni research, Desteni process, and
1) What would the world be like if everyone followed the Desteni Process?
Considering the current state of world affairs, no one would deny that we are at a
junction in history where we have to ask some hard questions. Those are the
questions that have become untouchable in our society, because we rely on
governments, institutions and the so-‐called free market as mechanisms by which
we seek to improve the world. However, our historical track record shows that
somewhere along the lines we are missing something. With the economic
downturn, countries like Greece, Spain, Italy but also the United States are
demonstrating the precursors of what is coming our way – the system by which
we organize ourselves, our finances and markets, is beyond repair and we must
take those hard questions seriously for the good of all.
Desteni, or Destonians, are a group of people who are willing to put their neck
out and ask: where did we go wrong? How come our world does not provide a
decent life for all? How come the levels of poverty and abuse are constantly
rising and penetrating further and further into the fabric of our society -‐ so that
children are willing to pick up a gun and shoot their peers?
We realize that the world we are living in is not ‘out there’, somewhere removed
from us; we realize that the governments, which we accuse of not serving us
properly, is made up of the people like you and me. This is the decisive point that
Desteni has begun to tackle: the realization that we are at the root of what this
world has become, and as long as we are continuing the way we do we remain on
the same path. The result of this will one day stare us in the face, each one of us,
because we all rely on the resources of earth, we all have basic requirements to
live in this world and we all want the same – a happy and fulfilled life.
Through meticulous investigation, Desteni research has understood the
implications of emotions and feelings and how these are interconnected with the
way we communicate in the world, how we conduct our lives and how we come
to terms with our small and big decisions – but moreover, Desteni research has
shown how these behaviors build up the trajectories of our individual lives.
Indeed, these human trajectories are what create the consequences that we live
collectively day in and out.
From a point of introspection we can see that the state of our human nature is
such that we are not easily in the position to analyze our own lives. Yet, the
conventional ways of analysis, which are brought to us by those who have
studied psychology and psychiatry, are not effective because these approaches
use the baseline of normalcy, and can only constitute a form of guidance.
Normalcy in the sense that we measure those who require analysis against the
general population and thereby accepting the status quo of how we, as humanity,
operate. Self-‐understanding, and therefore self-‐change, can and will only
originate from within oneself.
It is thus important to mention here that those who join Desteni are not
followers, but are individuals that have grasped the crux of the problem. Namely
that the responsibility for self-‐understanding, and thus self-‐change, lies within
each individual and is not achieved through an outside source -‐ be it a
psychologist, teacher, parent, and/or government. From this perspective, the
main take-‐home message is the aptness to take oneself seriously enough to
conduct an inquiry into one’s own mind, and to lay bare one’s motivations which
are couched between emotions and feelings and deeply anchored in one’s
memory. This is an intimate process of self-‐investigation that has been
described as our task with “know thyself”, ever since the days of Delphic maxims.
With these intentions in mind, an individual comes to Desteni and is provided
with the required support to conduct a self-‐investigation using the steps of the
Desteni Process. Through a number of steps, the individual teaches him-‐ or
herself to become attentive to one’s own thoughts and to understand through a
participatory, self-‐reflective process the minuteness of fleeting thoughts and
their role in creating specific behavioral patterns. In other words, the individual
learns to become self-‐aware of the automated thoughts and the ensuing
decisions to act in the world. This puts the individual at a junction where he or
she can see the consequential future trajectory of thought-‐automated decision-‐
behavior -‐ and most importantly, the individual can intervene by no longer
following the automation, thus changing their comportment in the world.
Desteni research, which cumulates in the applied process called Desteni Process,
has reached a stage where the effects of thought patterns as they manifest in the
body, with the potential to lead to illness and physical deterioration, can be
pinpointed. This is a valuable resource for the self-‐investigating individual who
not only becomes attentive of his or her thought patterns but equally of the
The benefit of such self-‐investigation with the goal to change oneself, if
multiplied -‐ as it is suggested in your question -‐ would create a new world-‐
happiness. The change would be so profound that the way we communicate
together, work together, raise our children, and share our relationships
organically evolves human society to new, unprecedented levels where we
collectively eradicate the problems we have been faced with ever since recorded
history. We would realize that these problems were self-‐created and that we all
along were in the position to stop them but we did not, because we refused to
ask those hard questions and provide ourselves with practical answers.
One can think of Desteni as giving the best possible, practical answer to our
world problems, with the understanding that practicality is a physical,
accumulative procedure that takes years to accomplish. Evidence that there are
individuals that take themselves seriously enough to engage in the Desteni
Process, and are committed to a self-‐change that transforms their lives to truly
leading a life of being ‘in-‐charge’ of it, are the publicly written blogs on the
Internet under the theme: Journey to Life – a 7 year process application. For
those who want to see first hand some of the steps involved in the Desteni
Process you are invited on the Internet – you can find us on Facebook: 7 Year
Journey to Life
2. What would it be like if the Equal Money System was in place?
The answer in short is: it would be ‘heaven on earth’. Though, throughout our
practical investigations, in terms of understanding the world system and
ourselves as the participants that build the nature of this world-‐system, we have
realized that our proposal for an Equal Money will take longer than expected to
be implemented as a world-‐system to satisfactorily co-‐exist as equals on earth.
The foundation of it is that if an individual is supported from birth to death with
all the money or access to the means required to live in the best possible way,
our intrinsic nature would change. Though over time we realized our
conditioning in relation to our survival, selfish interest, desires to win and have
more than others don’t only exist because of how the world-‐system as our
economy and politics operate, it is in fact the nature of ourselves individually,
who we are and have become as human beings which means that in order to
have the Equal Money System in place, first we have to walk through a most
likely lengthy process of self-‐correction to grasp and integrate the living
principle of Life in Equality as the law of our being, which is essentially what we
are conducting through Desteni and the tools to develop Self-‐Honesty.
This individual process of self-‐honesty and self-‐correction enables one to realize
our responsibility to our own life and that of others within the consideration of
everything and everyone being one and equal, we just haven’t yet lived as equals
So, if we genuinely want to live in peace and harmony, we have to begin
considering what’s best for all which in the context of Equal Money means:
giving each human being access to all the necessary means to live well,
eradicating all fears of survival and scarcity through removing from our current
economic systems all money created as debt, and developing a genuine
democracy, which means living self-‐responsibility in our personal lives and our
participation within the system to make our societies functional according to the
values that we stand for: equality, integrity, self-‐honesty, self-‐responsibility and
always considering what’s best for all.
We also point out that what we require to live is given by the Earth, so Equal
Money means giving access through money as a counting and management tool
to every person and as such, learn how to live by the principle of ‘Give as you
would like to receive’ and actually learn what it practically means to ‘Love our
neighbor as ourselves’ -‐ these are the ultimate practical living principles that
constitute that idea of ‘Heaven on Earth.’ As within, so without means that self-‐
change and self-‐honesty are vital to make of Equal Money the natural outflow
and common sensical way to live together, so that no matter ‘whose shoes we
place ourselves in,’ each human being has a dignified life, and this is the point
with which we will measure the effectiveness of this system.
However, because it will take quite a long time to integrate these living
principles in each human being, we looked at other political mechanisms to
immediately mitigate the current suffering that is happening on a daily basis in
this world. We realized that it would be best to support already existent and
known proposals within the basis of guaranteeing Human Rights. This is how we
took on again the notion of the Basic Income Grant proposal which we had
investigated back in 2009, and it was only this year that we decided to structure
our own proposal taking the notion of receiving an allowance to be able to cover
one’s Fundamental Living Human Rights -‐ which are the right to food, water,
housing, basic services like electricity, transportation, education, health care –
and promoting this as an allowance available to eligible individuals. This goes
hand in hand with other reforms that must take place such as incentivizing those
that do work with earning double the amount of the Living Income Guaranteed,
which will make capitalism work in the way that it always should have, not only
benefiting a few ‘at the top’ but enhancing everyone’s living standard as part of
the national mechanisms for social support.
So this is what we are focusing on at the moment as the win-‐win solution within
our current economic context in the globe, not only because people that had no
money will suddenly have more power of acquisition and become part of the
consumer base, but also because those that are already successful in this system
will continue being so with a every person in the population having money to
spend. The basis of it is that fundamental human rights are guaranteed and
natural resources are nationalized to fund the Living Income Guaranteed (LIG)
and as such reactivate the economy in a sustainable manner. For further
information on other economic and political mechanisms to implement within
LIG, visit: http://livingincomeguaranteed.wordpress.com /
3. How has the Internet helped Desteni reach a wider audience?
The Internet has been instrumental in two ways. On the one hand, it is a great
platform for Destonians to proliferate some of the recorded steps of the Desteni
Process, for example in blogs or video recordings, as well as for the
dissemination of Desteni research findings.
On the other hand, we are faced with many who quickly want to categorize
Desteni into one of the existing approaches that advocate ideas on how to
improve the world. They find this difficult to do, which causes frustration and
counter-‐productive attitudes that keep the individuals from doing a proper
investigation into our research findings, and our overall goal of creating a world
that is best for all. Because we cannot easily be slotted into any existent
approaches, many will refer to “isms” that they are vaguely familiar with, causing
misinformation, which requires us to clarify our research and stance.
However, there are also those individuals that will take the time and read
through the material with care. These are the people who are suspending all
preconceived notions of what it is that we are sharing, and are able to grasp the
fundamental problem-‐solution. These individuals are able to let go of the self-‐
reflexive reactions that we all bring to information and material that touches
upon the ways we have identified ourselves.
4. How many people have taken Desteni classes? How many Desteni
members are there worldwide?
The Desteni Process is composed of a collection of courses and activities. The
course Desteni-‐I-‐Process Pro which is on offer, provides the full suite of support,
including regular buddy chats, and assistance in creating a structured time-‐line
of memories which forms the basis for the deeper investigation into automated
behavior patterns. This is the most intensive course a self-‐investigating
individual can follow. We also offer an Agreement Course that supports the
individual in deconstructing the internalized behaviors regarding intimacy and
relationships. Both of these courses are payable. Alternatively, we offer a lighter
version, the Desteni-‐I-‐Process lite, which is a free course conducted on the
Several hundred individuals have made their way through the courses. Active
Desteni Process participants generally write daily blogs and/or produce vlogs
that are rated by the Desteni community and beyond.
5. Will you clarify the difference between the Desteni Income Plan,
Structural Resonance Training, and the Desteni-‐I-‐Process?
First of all, as we are a research group conducting applied research in the context
of our lives and society, the naming conventions for our work are in flux and are
improved upon where we see fit over the months and years.
Structural Resonance Alignment Training was launched in 2009 and was
renamed to Desteni I Process in 2011. In 2012 we introduced the free version of
Desteni I Process, the Desteni I Process Lite. This necessitated that we rename the
payable course Desteni I Process Pro (DIP Pro), for the sake of clarity. The Desteni
Income Plan refers to the financial component of the Desteni I Process in that
those who wish to be agents -‐ in other words, selling the service -‐ can earn a
commission by introducing newcomers to the Desteni-‐I-‐Process. A Destonian ,
who has completed the necessary requirements is also able to become a buddy,
which refers to someone giving guidance throughout the process by assisting
others to complete course. A buddy is equally in the position to earn a
6. Can you explain the concept of “the power of ten”? How successful has it
been, now entering its fourth year?
The “power of ten” refers to the structure of the agent system as mentioned
above, which is available to DIP Pro participants who are very active in their
process of self-‐investigation and self-‐change. As previously stated, these
individuals can introduce others to join the Desteni-‐I-‐Process Pro and therefore
earn a commission when the newcomer becomes a paying participant.
The “power of ten” also refers to the number of paying participants a Desteni I
Process Pro Buddy can assist throughout the course material. A limit of ten new
individuals per buddy is put into place to guarantee the highest quality of
The number of DIP participants is below our expectations. We are constantly
improving the course and making it more attractive and comprehensible to a
much broader audience, because we are interested in increasing our number of
Basic timeline questions:
In what year did you and Bernard defeat all the demons in the demon
To answer this question, we need to understand that demons are nothing new or
unusual in the context of human nature. If you look around, every culture
encompasses an archetype of a demon -‐ our ugly side that stands in the way of
togetherness and happiness. Some religions even feature a concept that is
referred to as the ‘demon dimension’ – here I am pointing to Tibetan Buddhism.
Moreover, through art history we are aware of the rich depictions of demonic
beings, which come to life on our canvasses, on building facades, on artifacts and
In our research, we inquired into the phenomena of demons by drawing on these
perspectives. We realized that we are succumbed to a separation between the
altruistic, good-‐natured side of the human and the demonic, possessed side. Why
is that human nature is split like this? Why cannot the constructive, creative part
of us take on our demonic ways and resolve them?
When asking these questions we entered into the inter-‐dimensional existence,
which we typically refer to as ‘heaven’. This is the space of our existence that was
shrouded in mystery because we had little or no direct access to it. It takes a
dedicated, concerted effort to have been able to enter here. We were able to
enter through an opening in the physical body that we call the inter-‐dimensional
portal (For a timeline in relation to the process of the opening of the portal,
please listen to The Story of Sunette). Once we entered, we found that there are
indeed beings – demons -‐ that upon death have left their physical bodies behind
but were not able to pass on into the deeper dimensions. Before, and also after,
the opening of the portal we have been able to communicate with demons, but
before the portal opened we had no means to effectively assist the beings to
release themselves. At this stage, we had no entry into heaven and were unable
to assess the situation there.
Our main question was: Why isn’t heaven -‐ all the beings of heaven -‐ helping the
demon-‐beings to free themselves? Why do demon-‐beings exist? So, with the
opening of the portal and direct access into all of heaven -‐ we started to
communicate with the beings, and we continued our investigation to understand
how demon-‐beings became trapped. Our research findings showed that these
trapped demon-‐beings had a history on earth that was rooted in trauma, abuse,
possession and violence. It then became evident that those demon-‐beings we
encountered where people like you and me that had through their memory and
self-‐conduct been possessed into a demonic state, unable to get out.
We were able to assist these beings to free themselves by giving them the tools
to self-‐investigate and understand the motivations and mechanisms of their own
behavior. In other words, we introduced the demon-‐beings to “Self Forgiveness”
and so it was not myself with Bernard alone who brought about these
developments, it was the beings in all of heaven that had started practicing “Self
Forgiveness” as a process. They showed this process to the demon-‐beings who
then started to practice it and released themselves from the memories of past-‐
life traumas, which were the cause for their entrapment into a demonic state
If you are interested in a detailed step-‐by-‐step historical record in how we went
about this investigation into the demon-‐dimension; how the demon-‐beings went
about their self-‐investigation; and how this ceased the demon-‐dimension to
exist; we invite you to read the blogs written by Bernard Poolman, they can be
found at http://creationsjourneytolife.blogspot.com -‐ and search with the tag:
We walked this process with the Demons during 2006 / 2007
When did you speak at the Kinesiology meeting where you met Andrea?
End of 2006
When did you first launch the Desteni Income Plan?
The SRA Training?
Desteni I Process?
This is answered in our response to Question 5.
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