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THE MONTHLY NEWSLETTER OF THE GOLD COAST TREASURE CLUB, INC.
VOLUME 37 NUMBER 3
THE NEXT MEETING WILL BE 7:30 PM MARCH 8
AT THE WEST PALM BEACH GARDEN CLUB IN DREHER PARK
IN WEST PALM BEACH, FLORIDA
OUR CODE OF ETHICS: HAVE PERMISSION AND DO NO HARM
President Gary McNew will be bringing his IPAD to
show video goodies relating to metal detecting. Club
discussion will be encouraged on the newest law that in
the long run could affect metal detecting in the state of
Florida. Please be sure to welcome our newest members Henry Cleare and Gary Smith.
To entice selling more chances for the raffle of the
wine set that is complete with carry case, wine glasses and
wine; Gary McNew has donated a book: "Gold Beneath
The Waves" by Jim Brouwer (AKA Foiled Again Jim).
Jim hunts Myrtle Beach, SC and is frequent forum
contributor on The Treasure Depot and Findmall. The
book is well written with a good sense of humor and
Best Finds Alert: Bring any platinum found from the
meeting in November 2011 through to the meeting in
JOIN US EARLY AT P.A. BBQ!
Join fellow club members for dinner in the back room of
P.A. BBQ at 5:15 p.m. before the meeting. Dutch treat!
Park Avenue BBQ & Grille
2401 N. Dixie Hwy (US 1), Lake Worth, Florida
On Feb 27, suddenly the various metal detecting forums
began postings of a revision of a current FL law that had
passed the house without being on the radar of any of the
various individuals and organizations that keep up on the
legal issues of our hobby.
Issues are well stated on a posting on Treasurenet Forum
by Hobbit: "Here is the official summary of what changes in
Currently, Florida law prohibits persons from conducting
archaeological field investigations on, or removing or
attempting to remove, or deface, destroy, or otherwise alter
any archaeological site or specimen located upon any land
owned or controlled by the state or within the boundaries of
a designated state archaeological landmark or landmark
CS/SB 868 expands the area where unauthorized
archaeological activity is prohibited to include state
sovereignty submerged land and land owned by political
subdivisions, and authorizes the Division to issue permits for
archaeological research at these locations. This bill
substantially amends ss. 267.12 and 267.13 of the Florida
Hobbit's points to ponder and be concerned about:
* "state sovereignty submerged land" includes all
tidelands from the HIGH water mark seaward. This is
ALL the wet sand on every beach in the state of Florida.
* that "land owned by political subdivisions" is any land
owned by any city, county or state agency. That includes
EVERY PUBLIC PARK and EVERY PUBLIC SCHOOL
in the State of Florida.
* that "archaeological specimen" means anything 50
years or older...it is illegal to take a 1961 Lincoln
Memorial cent.. in Florida under this statue."
The next club hunt will be an evening hunt scheduled
for 5pm March 24. Daylight Savings Time starts 0200 on
March 11, so we will have more time in the evening
before the sun sets. The place will be decided at the club
meeting. Members not at the club meeting will be
informed by email.
Still need newsletter editor!
Senator Hays' Facebook page, Florida Department of
Tourism and the Elected Officials in the House and Senate
in Tallahassee were flooded by postings and emails.
Senator Hays comments were "calm the panic". Below is
The effects of SB 868 have been misunderstood. This bill
simply extends current law to areas in which the State
currently does not have jurisdiction. The extension is very
small in scope in order to cover areas such as those depict.
These are pictures of land owned by Lake County Water
Authority, a political subdivision/special taxing district
created by the legislature within my district. As current law
is written, when this type of damage is done to the property,
law enforcement’s hands are tied and they cannot take action
to enforce preservation of the land or the artifacts recovered.
As you can see from the pictures, the bill is addressing
unauthorized excavation and exploration on these types of
This bill does not impact private lands, the ability of
individuals to use a metal detector on our beaches, or any of
the activities these hobby enthusiasts legally enjoy now.
My office has been in contact with staff from
detectingrights.com. and clarified what the bill actually
addresses. Hopefully, if you belong to that organization, you
will be receiving an email soon. I would also encourage you
to visit the updated post on their website at
detectingrights.com and look at the tab which states items
requiring immediate attention.
I understand where some of the confusion on this bill may
have originated. The original language of the bill had a
drafting error that was caught and corrected during the first
committee stop. The bill originally read “any lands” when it
should have read “any state owned lands”, so it was never
my intent to prohibit anyone from doing anything on their
own land. It was never my intention to create overly
burdensome regulations, and I do believe in keeping
government small, but when I see in my own district where
our shorelines are being washed away by someone with a
“borrowed” garden hose, or holes are being dug deep
enough for someone to stand in, and all this damage must be
repaired, I need to take action.
I do appreciate the posts and your letting me know this
concern was out there and that word was spreading
regarding the potential impact of this bill. Hopefully, I have
been able to address your concerns and create a better
understanding of what this legislation is all about.
HUNT MASTER'S CONCERNS
I am concerned about the wording which can be open for
interpretation by rangers, wildlife officials and archeologists
(just to name a few). I am not a lawyer, but I know how a
written statement (especially legal talk) can be interpreted
more than one way. I know it doesn't specifically mention
metal detecting. But some public parks in Palm Beach
County that are not on the beach are now saying we can't
hunt in the grass because we are breaking the law that states
plant life is not to be disturbed or that we are excavating
when we make a small hole to retrieve an item.
COMMENTS FROM DICK STOUThttp://www.stoutstandards.com/Latest.html
SB868 IN FLORIDA
Received some correspondence about this bill, and a few
said that it's not as bad as we are saying.... Not sure I agree
with that. My concern? How will it be interpreted? How will
those chosen to enforce it understand it, and how will they
react. Likewise a bill like this didn't come out of nowhere. It
was surely designed with a purpose, and Senator Hays was
just the vehicle. We need to find out who the "paying or
contributing party" is, what their purose is, and how Senator
Hays got involved. Difficult, but not impossible....
Interesting that Senator Hays' first reaction to all the
responses he received on Facebook was to say "Calm the
Panic...not meant to eliminate detecting". If so Senator it
should be very simple to insert that into the current bill. Then
shortly after saying that he deleted all our comments....
COMMENTS FROM FMDAC
This bill just came to light two days ago. Emails were sent
out and all club contacts should have received them
are opposed to this. Although it apparently has had some
wording changes we remain opposed as the wording is not
clear and could be misinterpreted and twisted by anyone in
the future to suit their agenda. It is another small step in the
wrong direction. Vague wording is the way it is done to slip
things through under the radar.
Comments from the Task for Metal Detecting
The Task Force spoke with Pierce Schuessler (Legislative
Affairs Director from the Florida Department of State)—
apparently an older version of the bill was distributed within
the metal detecting community where the words "all lands"
were used. This error has been corrected.
The bottom line is the amendments to this bill are actually
good. The problem they have is with people literally using
heavy equipment removing dirt and sifting for Indian
artifacts. Pierce was very clear that the updates to this law
had nothing to do with metal detecting. It simply allows the
laws that govern state land to now cover special tax areas or
"sub divisions". If this bill does not pass, law enforcement
can only ask people to leave and not prosecute them for
tearing the land apart.
When you read this bill, it is important to understand that
all text which is not underlined is the current law. Only the
underlined text and crossed out text is the amended part of
the bill. The house version HB591 passed without opposition
PDF. The passing or not passing of SB868 or HB591 has no
relevance since the existing law will still be in place. To
effect change, local Detectorists need to meet with their
Senator and discuss amending the current law to specify
recreational metal detecting be excluded. Otherwise, what
you see not underlined, will stand as law what the upcoming
vote is on SB868.
C/O GAIL HOSKINS
206 RUSSELL DRIVE
LAKE WORTH, FL
The Tinfoil Times
Club Meeting - March 8
Daylight Savings Time Begins - 0200 March 11
Club Hunt - March 24 (Evening Hunt)
TCAS Hunt - March 10, 2012
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