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DOWN IN THE PASSENGER'S SEAT, AND SHE OPENED UP A BINDLE

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THAT HAD A GRAM OF COCAINE IN IT.

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ARGUMENT.

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WE HAD AN ARGUMENT AT THE TIME.

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THAT SHE WOULDN'T BABY-SIT ANYBODY ELSE'S KIDS.

HER AND I GOT INTO AN

I LOCKED THE VIDEO STORE UP, DROVE HER HOME .
I MADE HER PROMISE ME

WE GOT INTO AN ARGUMENT BECAUSE SHE WAS DOING

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THE DRUGS WITH THE KIDS IN THE BACK SEAT, SOMEBODY ELSE'S

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KID.

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WHY I WAS MAD AT SUSAN, WHAT THE ARGUMENT WAS ABOUT.

AND LOUIS PHONED ME, ASKED ME WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS,

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DID NOT TELL HIM.

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DIDN'T SEE THEM, LOUIS OR SUSAN, FOR APPROXIMATELY TWO

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WEEKS AFTER THAT.

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Q

I TOLD HIM TO ASK HIS WIFE.

AND I

DID YOU EVER TALK TO EITHER OF THEM ABOUT THE

ARGUMENT THAT YOU HAD?

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A

JUST TO SUSAN.

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Q

DID SHE TELL YOU THAT SHE DISCUSSED THE

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ARGUMENT WITH LOUIS?

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A

NO, SHE DID NOT.

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Q

DO YOU KNOW IF LOUIS FOUND OUT THAT SHE HAS

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DOING DRUGS AT THAT TIME WITH THE KIDS IN THE CAR?
A

NO.

AT THAT TIME I DO NOT RECALL HER TELLING

HIM OR HAVING ANY INTENTION OF TELLING HIM.
Q

DID SHE EVER MENTION WHETHER HER PARENTS WERE

AWARE THAT SHE HAD A DRUG PROBLEM?
A

NO .

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Q

WAS IT YOUR OPINION THAT THEY KNEW OR DID NOT

KNOW THAT SHE HAD A DRUG PROBLEM?

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DID NOT KNOW.

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Q

AFTER THE TWO-WEEK PERIOD WHEN YOU DIDN'T

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TALK TO HER AND THEN YOU SPOKE WITH HER AGAIN, YOU SAID

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WAS SHE STILL DOING DRUGS AT THAT TIME; DO YOU KNOW?

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A

YES.

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Q

DID SHE CONTINUE TO START COMING DOWN TO THE

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VIDEO STORE AGAIN?

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A

DURING THE LAST MONTH BEFORE SUSAN LEFT, SHE

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CAME DOWN TO THE STORE APPROXIMATELY ONCE A WEEK AND THAT

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WAS ALL .

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14

Q

AND DID YOU TALK WHEN SHE CAME DOWN TO THE

STORE OR WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE FOR HER COMING DOWN THERE?
A

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YES, WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT SUSAN WAS DOING AT

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THAT TIME, WAS PURCHASING .

SHE HAD PURCHASED A LARGE

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QUANTITY OF CRYSTAL METH.

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SHE CAME BACK INTO THE VIDEO STORE ASKING ME IF I KNEW

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ANYBODY THAT SHE COULD PURCHASE SOME MORE CRYSTAL METH

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FROM.

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PURCHASED A LARGE QUANTITY .

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SHE SAID SHE HAD SOLD IT.

APPROXIMATELY THREE DAYS LATER

I SAID, "I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT - - YOU JUST THE
WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THAT? "

AND THIS ALL OCCURRED WITHIN THE LAST MONTH

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Q

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OF HER LEAVING?

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A

YES .

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Q

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HOW DID YOU BECOME AWARE THAT SHE PURCHASED A

LARGE QUANTITY OF CRYSTAL METH?

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A

SHE BROUGHT IT IN AND SHOWED ME.

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Q

AND THEN YOU SAID A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER

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DID SHE CALL YOU BACK OR DID SHE COME INTO THE VIDEO

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STORE?

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SHE CAME I NTO THE VIDEO STORE WANT ING TO

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IF I KNEW OF ANYBODY THAT SHE COULD PURCHASE A LARGE

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QUANTITY FROM, THAT SHE HAD SOLD IT.

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Q

DO YOU KNOW ABOUT HOW MUCH QUANTITY SHE

BROUGHT INTO YOU WHEN SHE SHOWED IT TO YOU?

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A

NO, I DON'T.

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Q

DID SHE EVER TELL YOU HOW MUCH SHE HAD

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D~OW

PURCHASED?

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A

YES, SHE DID, BUT I DON'T RECALL WHAT IT WAS.

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Q

DID SHE EVER TELL YOU HOW MUCH SHE WAS

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SPENDING ON HER DRUG USt, LET'S SAY, PER WEEK?
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SHE DID NOT ACTUALLY GIVE ME A TOTAL PER SE

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OF WHAT HER WEEKLY HABIT WAS.

AS TO MY KNOWLEDGE AS TO

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WHAT SHE BROUGHT INTO ME ON A WEEKLY BASIS AND SHOWED ME

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OR WHAT I SAW IN HER CAR, I SAW A GRAM .

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A HALF A GRAM PER WEEK THAT I SAW HER WITH.

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INCREASED TO A GRAM PER WEEK .

IT STARTED OUT AS

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Q

IT THEN

AND \vHEN YOU'RE SAYING A HALF A GRAM AND

GRAM, DO YOU MEAN A GRAM OF COCAINE OR GRAM OF CRYSTAL

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r1ETH?

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A

GRAM OF COCAINE.

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Q

IN THE LAST MONTH PRIOR TO HER LEAVING, YOU

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SAID SHE CAME IN WITH A LARGE QUANTITY AND THAT SHE CN1E

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IN A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER AND THEN I NQUIRED WHERE SHE

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COULD GET MORE.

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TALKING TO HER ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE WHEN SHE CAME IN ON

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THOSE TWO OCCASIONS?

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DO YOU RECALL DISCUSSI NG ANYTHING ELSE OR

NO, I WOULDN'T HELP HER GET ANY MORE.

I TOLD

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HER I WOULD NOT HELP HER FIND ANYBODY, AND SHE WAS JUST

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UNHAPPY.

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SHE LEFT.

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DIDN'T STAY FOR AN HOUR.

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THEN OUT AGAIN, WOULD CALL ME BACK, TELLING ME THAT SHE

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COULD.SHE COME DOWN AND BORROW $20; COULD SHE. COME DOHN

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AND BORROW $30; SHE WOULD PAY ME BACK THE NEXT DAY SO SHE

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COULD GO TO THE GROCERY STORE.

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THE END THAT WE HAD THE CONVERSATION ABOUT.
Q

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WE DIDN'T TALK THAT MUCH UNTIL THE DAY BEFORE
SHE WAS IN AND OUT OF THE VIDEO STORE.

SHE

SO SHE WAS IN 15, 20 MINUTES AND

THAT'S ABOUT THE EXTENT AT

WHEN YOU SAID THAT SHE WAS UNHAPPY, WHAT MADE

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YOU FORM THAT OPINION THAT SHE WAS UNHAPPY THAT LAST

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MONTH?

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I GUESS I CAN'T EXPLAIN IT.

SHE WAS NOT

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HERSELF .

SHE WAS DISORIENTED AS FAR AS HER SURROUNDINGS.

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HER INTENT WHEN SHE GOT UP IN THE MORNING WAS TO FIND

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WHERE SHE COULD FIND SOME MONEY TO BORROW FROM SOMEBODY OR

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FIND SOMEBODY TO FRONT HER SOMETHING.

THAT WAS HER GOAL

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FOR THE WHOLE DAY.

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FIND A DRUG CONNECTION THAT SHE COULD FRONT IT TO, GET

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CREDIT ON, SOMEBODY WRITE A CHECK TO, POSTDATE IT.

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WAS ON A DAY - TO-DAY BASIS.

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SHE CALLED I DIDN'T WANT TO TALK TO HER BECAUSE IT WAS

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"CAN I BORROhT 2 0?

HER ENTIRE GOAL FOR THE DAY WAS TO

THAT

SO I T GOT TO THE POINT WHEN

CAN I WRITE YOU A CHECK FOR NE XT WEEK?"

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Q

DID YOU EVER LOAN SUSAN MONEY?

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A

YES.

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Q

ON HOW MANY OCCASIONS DID YOU LOAN HER MONEY?

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A

10 OR 15.

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Q

CAN YOU TELL ME APPROX IMATELY HOW MUCH THOS E

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LOANS WERE FOR OR DID THEY VARY?

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A

'THEY VARIED.

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Q

CAN YOU TELL ME A RANGE OF ABOUT THE LOAN

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AMOUNTS?

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A

20

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Q

DID SHE PAY YOU BACK THOSE LOANS?

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A

MOST OF THEM.

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Q

AND THE LAST MONTH PRIOR TO SUSAN

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TO 100 .

DISAPPEARING, DID YOU LOAN HER ANY MONEY?

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A

YES.

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Q

ON HOW MANY OCCASIONS?

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A

THREE OR FOUR .

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Q

DO YOU RECALL THE AMOUNTS OF THOSE LOANS?

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IT VARIES.

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Q

HERE THEY BETHEEN 20 AND $50?

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A

YES.

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Q

WERE ANY OF THEM MORE THAN $50?

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A

NO -- EXCUSE ME.

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Q

YOU LOANED HER $65?

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A

$65 ON ONE OCCASION.

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MR. PLATT:

. r'l

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YES, 65.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE LAST MONTH

BEFORE HER DEPARTURE, RIGHT?

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MS. BRAWNER:

IN THE LAST MONTH.

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THE WITNESS:

YES.

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BY MS. BRAWNER:

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Q

DO YOU RECALL HHEN YOU LENT HER THE $65?

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A

NO.

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Q

WITHIN THAT MONTH?

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A

YES.

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Q

DID SHE PAY YOU BACK THE $65?

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A

SHE PAID HALF OF IT WITH CASH AND SHE GAVE ME

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THE EXACT DATE, NO.

A CHECK FOR THE BALANCE WHICH BOUNCED.

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LET ME CLARIFY.

THE ONLY REASON I REMEMBER

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THE $65 WAS BECAUSE IT WAS AN ODD AMOUNT, AND SHE BORROWED

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IT FROM ME TO GO GET GROCERIES BECAUSE SHE HAD SPENT HER

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MONEY.

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AND I GAVE HER THE $65.

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THAT IN THE LAST MONTH.

AND AT THE TIME I FELT IT WAS A LEGITIMATE REASON
THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I REMEMBER

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Q

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DID YOU EVER SPEND ANY HOLIDAYS WITH THE

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ZAHARIAS IN THE TIME THAT YOU MET SUSAN FROM THE TIME THAT

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SHE LEFT?

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A

NO.

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Q

DID YOU SPEND ANY BIRTHDAYS WITH HER, THAT

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INCLUDES HER BIRTHDAY?

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A

NO.

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Q

HAVE YOU EVER MET ANY MEMBERS OF SUSAN'S

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A

NO.

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Q

DO YOU RECALL SUSAN MENTIONING ANY MEMBERS OF

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FAMILY?

HER FAMILY COMING OVER TO HER HOUSE?

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A

YES.

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Q

CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU RECALL HER TELLING

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YOU ABOUT THAT?

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A

LOUIS WAS GOING UP TO TAKE THE BAR EXAM;

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SUSAN'S SISTER WAS COMING IN TO VIS IT HER.

I COU LDN 'T

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COME OVER.

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I WASN'T TO TELL LOUIS.

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JUST COMING FOR THE NIGHT.

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OF DAYS BEFORE HE WAS GOING UP TO THE BAR IF SHE WOULD

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PACK THE KIDS AND PLEASE COME UP THERE WITH HIM, GET AHAY

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FROM THE AREA.

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HER.

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BECAUSE HER SISTER WAS COMING.

NO ONE WAS TO KNOW THAT HER SISTER WAS THERE.
I WASN'T TO COME OVER.

SHE WAS

LOUIS HAD ASKED SUSAN A COUPLE

IT WOULD BE LIKE A LITTLE VACATION FOR

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STAY IN THE HOTEL.

AND SUSAN ABSOLUTELY REFUSED
AND I DID NOT SPEAK TO HER

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UNTIL HER SISTER LEFT.

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Q

DO YOU RECALL WHAT PERIOD OF TIME THIS WAS --

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NO, I DON'T.

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Q

DO YOU KNOW IF IT WAS IN THE LAST YEAR BEFORE

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THAT HER SISTER CAME?

SHE LEFT?
A

NO.

ALL I DO RECALL IS THAT LOUIS WAS GOING

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UP TO TAKE THE BAR AND THAT HE DIDN'T MAKE IT.

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RECALL WHICH TIME THAT WAS THAT HE WENT TO TAKE THE BAR.

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I DON'T

I DON'T RECALL THAT.
Q

WHEN YOU SAID HER SISTER WAS COMING OVER, DO

YOU RECALL \-JHAT HER SISTER'S NAME WAS?

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A

NO, I DO NOT.

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Q

NOW YOU MENTIONED THAT NO ONE WAS TO KNOW

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THAT HER SISTER WAS COMING .

DID SUSAN TELL YOU THAT?

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A

YES.

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Q

AND

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A

NOTHING, EXCEPT THAT I HAPPENED -- ALL I CAN

~~HAT

DID SHE TELL YOU ABOUT THAT?

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REMEMBER IS THAT I HAPPENED TO CALL HER RIGHT BEFORE LOUIS

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WAS TO LEAVE BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO SAY "LET'S GET THE

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GIRLS AND GO OUT, " BECAUSE LOUIS WAS LEAVING FOR A COUPLE

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OF DAYS FOR THIS BAR.

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WAS COMING IN AND THAT HER SISTER AND LOUIS DID NOT GET

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ALONG SO SHE WASN 'T GOING TO GO WITH HIM.

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EXCITED THAT HER SISTER WAS COMING BUT THAT WE WEREN 'T

AND SHE SAID, "NO," THAT HER SISTER

AND SHE WAS

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SUPPOSE D TO SAY ANYTHING TO LOUIS BECAUSE THEY DI DN'T GET

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ALONG TOGETHER.

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Q

THAT WAS ALL SHE SAID .

AND PRIOR TO THAT PHONE CALL HAVE YOU EV ER

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DISCUSSED HER SISTER'S RELATIONSHIP WITH LOUIS WITH SUSAN

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BEFORE?

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A

NO.

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Q

WAS THAT THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU \vERE

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APPRISED BY SUSAN THAT LOUIS DIDN'T GET ALONG WITH HER

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SISTER?

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A

YES .

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Q

DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG HER SISTER CAME TO STAY

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AT THAT TIME?

tJ

A

IT WAS JUST A COUPLE OF DAYS.

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Q

ON ANY OTHER OCCASION DO YOU RECALL ANY

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FAMILY MEMBER EVER Cot1ING TO VISIT SUSAN?

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A

NO.

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Q

DID SHE EVER DISCUSS HER FAMILY BESIDES THE

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PARENTS?

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WITH LOUIS.

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MEMBERS' RELATIONSHIP WITH LOUIS WITH YOU?

I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT THEY DIDN'T GET ALONG
DID SHE EVER DISCUSS ANY OF HER FAMILY

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NO.

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Q

DID SHE EVER TELL YOU THAT SHE WASN 'T ALLOW ED

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TO HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS OVER TO HER HOUSE?
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YES.

WHEN SHE TOLD ME THAT HER AND -- THAT

HER SISTER AND LOU IS DID NOT GET ALONG, SO SHE WASN 'T

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