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B.J. Porter
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Sent 27 May 2011 - 07:26 PM

Happy Jack

Happy Jack

I started this response the other day and then I decided I didn't really want to give

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Gaytor or Sol another excuse to start their BS again.

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'B.J. Porter', on 26 May 2011 - 05:56 AM, said:

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I agree with not making hay of this sort of thing, which in spite of how low my opinion is of you
and all your alter egos I never jumped on that particular bandwagon. I'd rather miss an
opportunity to mock you if the story was bogus than do something truly appalling such as mock

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you if the story was true. There's just no point in that, it's not how I roll.

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For that I give you due credit.
But to clarify - Nailing Malarkey had a son named Trevor that he said died in biking accident. So
did the Trevor mentioned - presumably your son? You claim you are not NM and do not know
him, yet you both lost children in an identical fashion, post the same way, sound the same and
act the same. How could Trevor be missed if he is NOT your son and you do not know the

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Malarkey family?
So - is Trevor Malarkey's son or yours? Or both? I'm a little confused here as to whether you are
two individuals leading weirdly parallel but identical lives, or if you are in fact the same person
that used to post as Nailing Malarkey. From where I sit I see tons of evidence that you are one
and the same person, in fact the ONLY thing that says you aren't the same is you denying it.
And? I feel no obligation to identify my self. In the past I was naive about the
Internet and posted photos of my self and my family on certain sailing and other
sites. I didn't realize how dangerous that was if you are also going to post on
political forums. To shorten a long story, my openness in the past allowed two
individuals, including one from SA to track down email addresses for my wife and
~10 year old daughter. One also knew our home address, I'm guessing from the
property tax rolls once they knew my real name. And, just because they don't like
my politics they emailed my family. The worse of the two went something like "I
know you live at etc etc". So forgive me if I no longer feel any obligation to share
my identity or even to confirm past identities. In fact I would have zero
reservations about being deceptive in such matters if I thought it was prudent to
protect them.
Given the vitriol from Gator, Sol and a few others I feel completely justified.

So what is the truth here? Will you come clean on this? Or do I have your permission to keep
calling you out for lying about it?
I have not lied here, nor anywhere else. I have shown multiple examples of your sock puppets
lying and being intellectually dishonest, and you lie about them being yours. How is calling this
out a lie, pray tell?
I learned a valuable lesson many, many years ago - always tell the truth, because then you never
have to worry about keeping your story straight or remembering what you said.
Given that I post here with my real name and anyone with half a brain can find me in the real
world in about 3 seconds, I'd say the credibility cap is stronger for the guy that keeps showing
up with fake names while pretending to be a new person every time.
I get that you and they don't like my politics and you don't like my attitude. But
how does that justify hating someone? You say you don't lie but you have repeated
specific accusation that are simply false. Maybe you really believe they are true or
because you think I have not been forthcoming about my identity/ies you have
convinced yourself the other charges must be true.

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Think about it, Happy Jack did not have an edit or delete button when I created
him. I thought at the time that those were simply the forum setting for everyone.
Over time I started to notice that other posters did have them so I emailed Dawg
about this and he enabled them for me only to have them removed again a few
weeks later by ED when Sol falsely complained. What you accuse me of was simply
impossible since I lacked the ability to do it.
Even if I could edit or delete I can't change other posts that quote me. If I ever post
something in error or that would otherwise prove embarrassing, how likely is it
that I would realize there was something there that I would want to hide or cover
up before someone pounces on the error and quotes me? For your charges to hold
water there would have to be numerous quoted posts where the original is gone or
changed. All I have ever asked is for you to show an example. I know they don't
exist but apparently you don't.
You are making the charge. Seems only fair that you should show some evidence.

Sent 27 May 2011 - 10:25 PM

B.J. Porter

As mentioned previously, and documented many, many times in public - your Nailing
Malarkey persona was caught numerous times playing bullshit edit games and being
dishonest. I've found them, quoted them, pointed them out, etc. etc. I'm simply not
spending the time to do it again solely to have you say "Happy Jack isn't a
disingenuous liar, that's not me you're talking about". Waste of my time, you're not
worth it.
That makes you disingenuous and intellectually dishonest, it doesn't make you a liar
per se.
I have ZERO doubt in my mind that you are the same person that used to post as
Nailing Malarkey, U Bent Strom, Dagger Bored and probably a couple of others I
forgot about. You continually deny this and insist there is another Florida dwelling
ex Canadian mostly retired "Independent" that went to MIT, married to a Brazilian
(doctor?), who posts lots of negative crap about Democrats while lauding Republicans
who also happened to lose a son named Trevor in a bicycle accident. I find the
likelihood of two separate people that have never met with two such similar profiles to
be...improbable.
(apologies for the commas in that, the sentence got broken up as I remembered more
and more similarities, I know there are splices)
So - you deny you were the poster Nailing Malarkey and all his other sock puppets this is clearly not the truth. From where I sit, telling something that is not true
intentionally is a lie. People that intentionally lie...well there is a name for that, isn't
there?
Never mind the "Independent" nonsense. Every single one of us including you knows
which way you roll, you are as independent as that idiot Gator, our other self
proclaimed "independent". At least with guys like NGS and Boobytrap they don't
pretend to be something they aren't. That's not so much a lie (well, technically it is but
it's a little one) as it is simply disingenuous and dishonest.
No one, including me, objects to maintaining privacy and keeping your real ID and
name private. What is objectionable to many is coming back with multiple names and
pretending to be a different person every time. Part of your MO every time you come
back with a sock puppet is to pretend you aren't NM, and you don't know him, but you
eventually admit admire his work. Eventually you guys get chummy because you start
learning things about him, etc. etc. You've done this repeatedly, we've all seen it and
we're not half as dumb as you think. Frankly I don't give a damn what your real name

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is, I have no respect for you because you won't own up to your online past at SA.
Your not being able to edit "when you created him" doesn't pass the smell test, it's not
logical. SA admins have, in the past, for particularly obnoxious but persistent trolls
like yourself (admit it - how many times have you been flicked???) removed the ability
to Edit. As you well know there are ways to circumvent IP address blocks, so the only
thing you can do with people that on these boards is try and keep them on the straight
and narrow through other means - close the doors for acting up. A more likely
scenario? You create Happy Jack, all is normal. Someone makes you as returned
banned poster and management figures it's easier to just try and keep you a little
reined in than begin the whole ban & dodge routine all over again. That seems way
more logical.
I don't hate you at all. I have no respect for you, which IMHO is a lot worse. You may
not think what I say is true (that you are a liar) but I believe that it is and I have
backed it up repeatedly - you just lie that it's not you therefore I've not made my case.
I have no real respect for intellectual dishonesty and the sort of cheap tricks that you
tend to favor.
I've always felt that SA is like a yacht club bar - a bunch of people unified by common
interest that are shooting the breeze on a lot of topics. You, however do not seem to
share that common interest (sailing), you seem more interested in walking into the
bar and picking a fight and seeing if you can get people to bust up the furniture. But
you don't seem to show much interest at all in actually pulling up a stool, ordering a
beer and having a discussion. Instead you are walking around with a megaphone
shouting your agenda and ignoring those that question what you have to say. I don't
see the point in it.
OK, this is about nine paragraphs more than I ever intended in a private dialog with
you, I think you are dishonest enough to post portions of it therefore I really do not
want to engage you in PMs. Everything when dealing with the dishonest with should
be public because they will deny what is said here, while I will never post it.
You want me to back off? Come clean about your sock puppets and online history.
Until then every single post made by Happy "I am Not Nailing Malarkey" Jack is
repetition of a lie.

'Happy Jack', on 27 May 2011 - 7:26 PM, said:
I started this response the other day and then I decided I didn't really want to give Gaytor or Sol
another excuse to start their BS again.

'B.J. Porter', on 26 May 2011 - 05:56 AM, said:
I agree with not making hay of this sort of thing, which in spite of how low my opinion is
of you and all your alter egos I never jumped on that particular bandwagon. I'd rather
miss an opportunity to mock you if the story was bogus than do something truly appalling
such as mock you if the story was true. There's just no point in that, it's not how I roll.
For that I give you due credit.
But to clarify - Nailing Malarkey had a son named Trevor that he said died in biking
accident. So did the Trevor mentioned - presumably your son? You claim you are not NM
and do not know him, yet you both lost children in an identical fashion, post the same
way, sound the same and act the same. How could Trevor be missed if he is NOT your son
and you do not know the Malarkey family?
So - is Trevor Malarkey's son or yours? Or both? I'm a little confused here as to whether
you are two individuals leading weirdly parallel but identical lives, or if you are in fact the
same person that used to post as Nailing Malarkey. From where I sit I see tons of

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evidence that you are one and the same person, in fact the ONLY thing that says you
aren't the same is you denying it.
And? I feel no obligation to identify my self. In the past I was naive about the
Internet and posted photos of my self and my family on certain sailing and
other sites. I didn't realize how dangerous that was if you are also going to
post on political forums. To shorten a long story, my openness in the past
allowed two individuals, including one from SA to track down email
addresses for my wife and ~10 year old daughter. One also knew our home
address, I'm guessing from the property tax rolls once they knew my real
name. And, just because they don't like my politics they emailed my family.
The worse of the two went something like "I know you live at etc etc". So
forgive me if I no longer feel any obligation to share my identity or even to
confirm past identities. In fact I would have zero reservations about being
deceptive in such matters if I thought it was prudent to protect them.
Given the vitriol from Gator, Sol and a few others I feel completely justified.

So what is the truth here? Will you come clean on this? Or do I have your permission to
keep calling you out for lying about it?
I have not lied here, nor anywhere else. I have shown multiple examples of your sock
puppets lying and being intellectually dishonest, and you lie about them being yours. How
is calling this out a lie, pray tell?
I learned a valuable lesson many, many years ago - always tell the truth, because then you
never have to worry about keeping your story straight or remembering what you said.
Given that I post here with my real name and anyone with half a brain can find me in the
real world in about 3 seconds, I'd say the credibility cap is stronger for the guy that keeps
showing up with fake names while pretending to be a new person every time.
I get that you and they don't like my politics and you don't like my attitude.
But how does that justify hating someone? You say you don't lie but you have
repeated specific accusation that are simply false. Maybe you really believe
they are true or because you think I have not been forthcoming about my
identity/ies you have convinced yourself the other charges must be true.
Think about it, Happy Jack did not have an edit or delete button when I
created him. I thought at the time that those were simply the forum setting
for everyone. Over time I started to notice that other posters did have them
so I emailed Dawg about this and he enabled them for me only to have them
removed again a few weeks later by ED when Sol falsely complained. What
you accuse me of was simply impossible since I lacked the ability to do it.
Even if I could edit or delete I can't change other posts that quote me. If I
ever post something in error or that would otherwise prove embarrassing,
how likely is it that I would realize there was something there that I would
want to hide or cover up before someone pounces on the error and quotes
me? For your charges to hold water there would have to be numerous quoted
posts where the original is gone or changed. All I have ever asked is for you
to show an example. I know they don't exist but apparently you don't.
You are making the charge. Seems only fair that you should show some
evidence.

Sent 28 May 2011 - 05:46 AM

Happy Jack

Do I want you to back off. Hell no. I would just like you to learn the truth.
You say my editing/delete claims don't pass your smell test.
The password to Happy Jack is bjporter. you are welcome to scan the IMs between

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myself and Dawg. So unless you think I can fake IMs from Dawg my exchanges with
him should clear up any doubt about that. I had editing right for a couple weeks
around Nov 2009. None before that and none since.
Would you also like the police report for my son's death?
You see Mr. Porter, I'm sufficiently secure in my person that I have no need to cover
up my errors. I know with a certainty that I have never edited the content to hide or
change the meaning of any post under any alias on any forum.
Have I altered the author of a quote to trick people into exposing their hypocrisy?
Absofrikenlutly. With pride. If the party or author of an idea is the determinant factor
in how someone responds to it then they deserve to get caught. If they are
intellectually honest and hold to their beliefs then the trap will blow up in my face and
it has on rare occasion.
Have I obscured my Identity? Only if the same school, career, city, farm, wife, etc etc
is too subtle for you to figure it out. Killery again man was an anagram of NM for God
sake. A lie? Or a Joke? Come on BJ you may be a lot of things but I never thought you
were stupid. NM was banned after he blew up about the member that started sending
harassing, lewd emails to his family. He didn't one day decide NM had been caught
one too many times and changed his ID to hide from something he'd said. NM stood
and stands behind everything he ever posted. The name changes were forced on him
by the board and certain members with a snitch complex.
Obviously you can screw me over with the password to my account and things I've just
told you. You want me banned? I've given you all you need. I don't think you will but if
it happens so be it.

Sent 28 May 2011 - 06:26 AM

B.J. Porter

I'm headed off sailing for the weekend with my family so I'll not answer this now.

Sent 28 May 2011 - 06:34 AM

Happy Jack

'B.J. Porter', on 28 May 2011 - 06:26 AM, said:
I'm headed off sailing for the weekend with my family so I'll not answer this now.

Sounds like fun. Enjoy.
Sent 21 June 2011 - 01:33 AM

B.J. Porter

'Happy Jack', on 28 May 2011 - 05:46 AM, said:
Do I want you to back off. Hell no. I would just like you to learn the truth.
You say my editing/delete claims don't pass your smell test.
The password to Happy Jack is bjporter. you are welcome to scan the IMs between myself and
Dawg. So unless you think I can fake IMs from Dawg my exchanges with him should clear up
any doubt about that. I had editing right for a couple weeks around Nov 2009. None before that
and none since.
Would you also like the police report for my son's death?

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You see Mr. Porter, I'm sufficiently secure in my person that I have no need to cover up my
errors. I know with a certainty that I have never edited the content to hide or change the
meaning of any post under any alias on any forum.
Have I altered the author of a quote to trick people into exposing their hypocrisy?
Absofrikenlutly. With pride. If the party or author of an idea is the determinant factor in how
someone responds to it then they deserve to get caught. If they are intellectually honest and hold
to their beliefs then the trap will blow up in my face and it has on rare occasion.
Have I obscured my Identity? Only if the same school, career, city, farm, wife, etc etc is too
subtle for you to figure it out. Killery again man was an anagram of NM for God sake. A lie? Or a
Joke? Come on BJ you may be a lot of things but I never thought you were stupid. NM was
banned after he blew up about the member that started sending harassing, lewd emails to his
family. He didn't one day decide NM had been caught one too many times and changed his ID to
hide from something he'd said. NM stood and stands behind everything he ever posted. The
name changes were forced on him by the board and certain members with a snitch complex.
Obviously you can screw me over with the password to my account and things I've just told you.
You want me banned? I've given you all you need. I don't think you will but if it happens so be it.

Never logged in to your account, and I won't either so you can make the password
whatever you want. I'm just not interested in perusing that stuff.
I don't any police reports about your son, that is your business. You know my stance
on it; I've no cause to comment on it either way.
It's a fundamental issue of honesty. You do not come of as honest - intellectually or
personally.
Nailing Malarkey was BANNED from SA, no? The account disabled and eventually
removed? Along with a number other usernames you've created and used to return
even after the management at SA explicitly told you that you were no longer welcome?
Don't pretend you got tired of the Nailing Malarkey persona or abandoned it - it was
banned, I think we all know that.
Whether posters sent you harassing PM's is immaterial. Abhorrent and inappropriate,
true, but immaterial to you returning to SA repeated pretending to be somebody else
(though it probably should have been reported to SA because they do tend to respond
to real world crossovers when they are aware of them).
That Dawg suffers you at all is a wonder given how much hassle you've given them by
returning repeatedly after being banned - in explicit violation of the terms of service of
the web site. That the management might wish to curb your capacity for mayhem
rather than trying to keep tracking down and stamping out user ID's and sock puppets
is understandable.
BTW your lack of Edit story doesn't pass the sniff test because you claim you couldn't
edit from the creation of the Happy Jack username which makes no sense unless SA
somehow detected who you were the moment you hit "Submit" to create the new
account. The version of events that DOES pass the sniff test is that you join as Happy
Jack with a perfectly normal account, then someone in management figures out (or
more likely is tipped off) some short while later that you probably are Nailing
Malarkey returned once again from Banland and decides to box you in rather than
have to deal with another sock puppet/zombie user out break. That seems
more...plausible...than what you present. Given there are multiple admins it's entirely
possible that not all of them were clued in to this action, hence your mixup with Dawg.
I wouldn't want the job of trying to sort out the sock puppets and spammers in this
place.

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P.S. It is also my opinion that your "Sock Puppet Detector" is laughable as a solution
for identifying SA user names, as you describe it it requires you to physically eyeball a
user coming into a thread then checking it against an access file. WAY too much
manual effort to do that 24x7.

Sent 21 June 2011 - 05:00 AM

Happy Jack

You had the opportunity to read the messages between Dawg and Happy Jack. You
chose not to inform yourself yet continue to make allegations. Nice.
As for my sock puppet detector? It worked just fine. A simple script captured the
thread viewers into a time stamped file. The web pages received very few hits. It took
only a few minutes to cross reference the hits by time stamp with who was viewing the
thread at that moment. But thanks for your concern about me wasting my time.
Knowing who is who completely changes the way you read the forum.
Posting under multiple IDs at the same time is very deceptive. Happy Jack has no
aliases. Happy Jack does not delete his posts. Happy Jack does not edit his posts.
Considering the number of people using aliases that don't seen to warrant your
condemnation I don't give your comments much weight.
Sent 21 June 2011 - 06:59 AM

B.J. Porter

'Happy Jack', on 21 Jun 2011 - 05:00 AM, said:
You had the opportunity to read the messages between Dawg and Happy Jack. You chose not to
inform yourself yet continue to make allegations. Nice.
As for my sock puppet detector? It worked just fine. A simple script captured the thread viewers
into a time stamped file. The web pages received very few hits. It took only a few minutes to
cross reference the hits by time stamp with who was viewing the thread at that moment. But
thanks for your concern about me wasting my time. Knowing who is who completely changes
the way you read the forum.
Posting under multiple IDs at the same time is very deceptive. Happy Jack has no aliases.
Happy Jack does not delete his posts. Happy Jack does not edit his posts.
Considering the number of people using aliases that don't seen to warrant your condemnation I
don't give your comments much weight.

Why would I want to log in to your username to read your e-mails. That's just creepy.
Next thing I know I'm getting accused of hacking your account or some such crap; I
simply don't trust you enough to take you up on your offer thank you very much.
You want me to see something, forward it. I'll trust you far enough to assume you
wouldn't edit Dawg's words. I know Dawg, he's been to my house and I helped him
when he was in town for a regatta years ago so I trust that he'd verify anything I asked
him.
I'm not a big fan of sock puppets and I've expressed that repeatedly. I've expressed it
to Sol R. to his face when we've met up in the real world, as well as in e-mails when I
think he's pushing it too hard.
However you know just as well as I do that someone creating a sock puppet with no
real attempt at deception just to tweak noses or make a humorous point is entirely
different that someone pretending to BE a completely different person with

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questionable intent. I don't think that "Sol's Friend from the Deli" was created with
intent to obscure exactly what was going on. I don't agree with it, but recognize it for
the sophomoric humor that it is. Some of the other ones were over the line (I believe
we had a "Malarkey's Dead Son" and "Sardonic's Cat's Anus" as two of the most over
the top) and I've stated that to the purported owners of said puppets on multiple
occasions.
And it is also quite different that someone who has been permanently banned from
the site by the site's owners yet persists in returning under multiple ID's in direct
violation of the site's terms of service which he has agreed to abide by.
I'm not buying your script kiddie solution as practicable. You may think you've got
something there, but to implement that with a script would be the equivalent of
launching a DoS attack on the server since you'd be pinging it repeatedly with the
same request over and over again. So maybe the complaints on the server's slow
performance of late are your fault? I'd not mention that to the admin team or in public
if I were you.

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