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FORMAL NAME.
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LET'S TAKE THAT ON E STEP FURTHER.

WITH HER

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PARENTS WOULD SHE CALL THEM SOMETHING OTHER THAN "MY

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PARENTS," WOULD SHE CALL THEM "MOTHER," "FATHER," "MOHAND

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DAD"?

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NO, HER PARENTS.

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USUALLY SHE REFERRED TO THEM AS HER PARENTS?

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HER PARENTS.

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AND YOU DON'T RECALL WHETHER SHE EVER

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MENTIONED WHAT THEIR NAMES WERE, CORRECT?

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CORRECT .

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DID YOU KNOW WHAT HER MAIDEN NAME WAS BY .'\NY

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NO.

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THAT WAS NEVER DISCUSSED --

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NO.

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-- AS BEST YOU CAN RECALL?

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NO, THAT I CAN RECALL.

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THE PERIOD OF A MONTH BEFORE SHE DEPARTED, I

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CHANCE?

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THINK YOU SAID YOU COULD SEE THAT SHE WAS SHORT-TEMPERED

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TOWARDS THE CHILDREN; IS THAT CORRECT?

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CORRECT.

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AND HO\<l DID THAT MANIFEST ITSELF OR MAKE IT

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APPARENT TO YOU THAT SHE WAS SHORT-TEMPERED?

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ME ANY EXAMPLES?

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SHE WOULD -- CHRISTOPHER USED TO PLAY WITH

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DINOSAURS, AND SHE WOULD TAKE THE DINOSAUR AWAY FROM HIM

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AND YELL AT HIM IF HE WOULDN'T SIT DOWN.

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TELEVISION IN THE VIDEO STORE AND THINGS, AND SHE WOULD

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LITERALLY JUST SCREAM AT HIM TO "SIT DOWN," TO "WATCH

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T.V.," "DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING," "DON'T MOVE ABOUT."

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WOULD TAKE THE DINOSAUR AWAY FROM HIM, AND IF THAT

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WOULDN'T HELP OUT, TO THE CAR HE HAD TO GO AND SIT.

WE HAD A SCREEN

SHE

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BY HIMSELF?

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BY HIMSELF.

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AND WHAT WOULD HIS REACTION BE WHEN HE WOULD

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DO THAT; WOULD HE CRY?

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NO, HE \vOULD NOT CRY.

HE WOULD NOT THROW A

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FIT.

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EYE AND SAY, "I HATE YOU; I HATE YOU," AND . TURN AROUND AND

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WALK OUT TO THE CAR.

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HE WOULD TURN AROUND AND LOOK AT HER SQUARE IN THE

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IS THAT SOMETHING THAT OCCURRED OVER AND

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OVER AND OVER , NEVER ANY SCREAMING LIKE A

OVER?

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TWO- OR THREE-YEAR- OLD CHILD WOULD HAVE.

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SLAMMING THE FIST BECAUSE HE DIDN'T GET HIS OWN WAY.

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WAS JUST THIS

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HIS EYES THAT HE HATED HER.

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AND SHE NEVER PHYSICALLY TOUCHED HIM IN FRONT OF ME.

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SCREAMING AND YELLING AND TAKING AWAY OF THE TOYS.

I CAN'T EXPLAIN IT.

NO TANTRUMS.

NO
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IT WAS THE LOOK IN

HE JUST PLAIN OUT HATED HER.

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DID YOU EVER DISCUSS THAT ASPECT WITH HER?

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YES.

AS FAR AS WHY HE ACTED THAT WAY TOWARDS

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HER, WHY HE RESPONDED THAT WAY TO HER, AND SHE SAID THAT

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THAT WAS JUST HER "PROBLEM CHILD" AND THAT HE JUST DID NOT

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MIND HER.
AND WHEN I -- ON THE OCCASION THAT I BABY-SAT

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FOR HER, THEY WERE FINE.

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HEARING THAT SHE SAID CAUSED THIS PROBLEM, THAT HE WASN'T

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HEARING THINGS CORRECTLY, THAT HE WAS JUST AN AGGRAVATED

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BUT HE HAD A PROBLEM WITH HIS

CHILD.
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DID SHE EVER INDICATE TO YOU THAT SHE GAVE

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HIM ANY KIND OF MEDICATION OR ANYTHING THAT SHE WOULD DO

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THEY HAD ENROLLED HIM IN THIS SPECIAL THERAPY

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FOR HIM TO GO TO AFTER THEY FINALLY FOUND OUT WHAT

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PROBLEM WAS, BUT SHE DIDN'T TAKE HIM.

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VIDEO STORE OR I WAS ON THE PHONE TO HER .

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MUCH OF A HASSLE TO DRIVE HIM OVER THERE .

SHE WAS AT THE
AND IT WAS TOO

INSTEAD, SHE WAS GOING TO GO UP TO HUNTINGTON

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BEACH OR WHEREVER, AND THE FIRST THING ON HER MIND WAS TO

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GET THE DRUGS FIRST.

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SCHOOL.

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DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GO TO

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DID THAT SOUND LIKE A FEEBLE EXCUSE TO YOU?

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YES, CONSIDERING THAT THEY HAD QUITE A FEW

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PROBLEMS WITH HIM AND IT WAS A MAJOR DEAL ABOUT HIS

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HEARING AND HE COULD BE IMPAIRED IN HIS HEARING FOR LIFE .

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THEY HAD A CHANCE TO CORRECT IT, AND SHE TOOK HIM THE

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FIRST COUPLE OF TIMES AND THEN THAT WAS IT.

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STOPPED .
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SHE JUST

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT SHE WAS TELLING

LOUIS ABOUT HER TAKING CHRISTOPHER?
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NO.

SHE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING TO ME.

I'M SURE

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THERE WAS NOTHING THAT HAD TO BE SAID BECAUSE LOUIS WAS AT

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WORK DURING THE DAY, SO HE WOULD HAVE NO IDEA WHETHER

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CHRISTOPHER WAS GOING OR NOT.
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TELL LOUIS ABOUT MOST OF HER ACTIVITIES LIKE THAT?
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I KNOW MOST DEFINITELY ABOUT MANY OF THEH HE

WAS NOT INFORMED ABOUT.
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DID YOU GET THE . IMPRESSION THAT SHE DIDN'T

WHAT OTHER AREAS OF HER BEHAV.IOR OR CONDUCT

DID SHE KEEP FROM HIM THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF?
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SHE HID THE BILLS FROM HIM.
SHE USED CRYSTAL METH.

SHE USED

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COCAINE.

SHE SMOKED MORE DOPE

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THAN HE KNEW ABOUT.

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BASIS.

SHE HAD HER SECRET MAILBOX WHERE ALL HER MAIL HAS

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GOING.

SHE WAS GETTING HER MONEY FROM HER PARENTS.

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HAD HER SISTER IN TOWN WITHOUT TELLING HIM.

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THREE-QUARTERS OF HER LIFE THAT HE HAD NO IDEA IT WAS EVEN

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HAPPENING WHEN HE WAS GOING TO WORK FROM 9:00 TO 5:00.

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SHE SMOKED CIGARETTES ON A CONSTANT

SHE

I WOULD SAY

DID SHE SEEM TO ENJOY LIVING THAT TYPE OF

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DUAL LIFE?
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YES, WHEN SHE HAD -- ONCE IN THE MORNING WHEN

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SHE COULD GET WITH THE DRUG CONNECTION AND HAVE HER DRUG,

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SHE WAS FINE FOR THE REST OF THE DAY .

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YOU DESCRIBED EARLIER, I THINK, THAT HER MAIN

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GOAL ON A DAILY BASIS WAS FIGURING OUT HOW SHE WAS GOING

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TO GET MONEY OR GET DRUGS?

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CORRECT .

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OR A COMBINATION OF THE TWO?

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CORRECT .

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AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WENT ON FOR A

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LENGTHY PERIOD OF TIME; I S THAT CORRECT?

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CORRECT .

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OTHER THAN SHORT- TEMPERED, HOW WOULD YOU

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DESCRIBE HER APPEARANCE TO YOU DURING THE, LET'S SAY,

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THREE OR FOUR MONTHS BEFORE SHE DEPARTED?

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SHE WENT DOWN TO ABOUT 98 POUNDS I N WEIGHT.

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SHE LOOKED ANOREXIC.

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SHE ALWAYS WORE MAKE - UP BEFORE.

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MAKE-UP .

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BLUE JEANS AND HER -- HER SAME BLUE JEANS, SAME SHIRT .

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THE KIDS AT THE END WERE IN THE SAME CLOTHES .

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SHE NEVER --

SHE WENT TO WEARING NO

SHE NEVER CURLED HER HAIR ANYMORE.

SHE WORE HER

SO SHE NEGLECTED HER PERSONAL HYGIENE AND

PERSONAL CLEANLINESS .
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SHE HAD NO APPETITE .

IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT?

CORRECT, THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT .

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AND THAT OF THE

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CORRECT.

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DID SHE SEEM PARANOID TO YOU OR ANYTHING LIKE

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AS WELL?

THAT, THAT YOU WOULD DESCRIBE AS PARANOID PERHAPS?
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THE DAY BEFORE -- THE DAY BEFORE SHE LEFT

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WHEN SHE WAS IN THE STORE AND SHE WAS SO IRATE ABOUT

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LOUIS' MOTHER, SHE WAS JUST -- I MEAN SIT DOWN, STAND UP ,

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SIT DOWN, STAND UP, AND SHE SAID THERE WAS NO MORE TO IT.

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AND I KEPT SAYING , "WHAT ELSE IS WRONG? "

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JUST BECAUSE THIS

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OF HER BEDROOM.

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COULD I FIGURE OUT A \'lAY?"

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WO~ffiN

WAS THERE.

IT COULDN'T BE

TELL HER TO STAY OUT

SHE WAS JUST, "I HAVE TO LEAVE.

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SHE NEEDED THAT MONEY.

DID THIS CONVERSATION SEEM A LITTLE BIZARRE

TO YOU AT THE TIME WHAT SHE WAS SAYING THAT TO YOU?
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EVERY TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS MAFIA

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CONNECTION AND GOING INTO HIDING, I THOUGHT IT .WAS

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BIZARRE.

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KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT .

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RESTRAINING ORDER ."

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I HAD NO IDEA THAT IT WAS AS SERIOUS TO HER AS SHE WAS

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MAKING IT SOUND, YOU KN0\\1 .

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YOU ' RE UNHAPPY .

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SHE HAD W/1.TCHED TOO MANY PROGRAMS.

" YOU DON 'T

GO GET A DIVORCE.

GET A

AND IT WAS IN ONE EAR, OUT THE OTHER.

YOU TEND TO EXAGGERATE

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OTHER THAN THE MAFIA APPROACH, DO YOU RECriLL

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ANY OTHER CONV ERSATIONS THAT SEEMED A LITTLE OUTRAGEOUS OR

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BIZARRE TO YOU OR ANY OTHER RECURRING THEME IN HER

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CONVERSATION? -

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THAT INCLUDED LOUIS, YOU MEAN?

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OR ANYTHING IN GENERAL, AS YOU CAN RECALL

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HERE TODAY.
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I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY BIZARRE HOW SHE

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HAS THIS MONEY COMING TO HER AND HOW SHE HAD RIGGED IT

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WITH HER FOLKS TO LEAD THEM TO BELIEVE THAT IT WAS JUST

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MONEY FOR HER.

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MUST KNOW SHE'S GOING TO LAKE ELSINORE TO PICK UP THIS

I REALLY THOUGHT DOWN DEEP "WELL, LOUIS

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MONEY TO ADD TO THEIR INCOME."

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THING THAT SHE KEPT RETREATING BACK WAS THAT MAFIA THING

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AND GOING INTO HIDING.

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OUT WHAT SHE HAD TO DO IN ORDER TO STAY AWAY FROM HIM, IN

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ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAr HE NEVER GOT BACK INTO HER LIFE.

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OTHER THAN THAT, NO.

HER

SHE HAD THAT COMPLETELY FIGURED

"DID SHE TALK TO YOU AT ALL ABOUT ANY STEPS

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THAT SHE MIGHT HAVE TAKEN TO FIND OUT ABOUT HOW TO GO IN

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HIDING OR DO ANY OF THAT?

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THERE HAD BEEN AN ARTICLE IN THE PAPER THAT

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HAD COME OUT BEFORE SHE LEFT , ABOUT AN UNDERGROUND --

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SOMETHING UNDERGROUND FOR WOMEN, WHERE THEY TAKE YOU MID

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THEY CHANGE YOUR NAME AND THEY DO ALL THIS STUFF .

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THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT SHE SAID, "I HAVE TO CHECK."

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THERE WAS AN ARTICLE ABOUT A WOMAN WHO HAD DONE IT OR

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SOMETHING ABOUT THE PAPER.

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SOMETHING LIKE THAT," SHE SAID ABOUT GETTING AWAY.

AND

AND SHE SAID, "I HAVE TO DO

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DO YOU KNOW APPROXIMATELY WHEN THAT

DISCUSSION TOOK PLACE IN RELATION TO \vHEN SHE LEFT?

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WITHIN SIX MONTHS.

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DID IT EVER COME UP MORE THAN THAT ONE TIME?

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DID SHE EVER REFER TO THE UNDERGROUND?
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AFTER SHE WOULD GO INTO A RAGE ABOUT HE

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THE MAFIA AND IN A COMMENT , PASSING COMMENT, "WELL, THE

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RAILWAY," BUT NOTHING SPECIFIC.
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SO AT FIRST IT WAS AN UNDERGROUND

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ORGANIZATION AND THEN LATER SHE WOULD REFER TO IT AS

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A "RAILWAY"?

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UNDERGROUND RAILWAY, RIGHT.

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DID SHE EVER INDICATE TO YOU THAT SHE HAD

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TAL~ED

TO ANYBODY ABOUT IT?

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NO.

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SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER SHE DID OR WHETHER

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SHE DIDN'T?

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EXACTLY.

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WHEN YOU SAW HER USE THIS CRYSTAL METH, DID

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SHE EVER DESCRIBE TO YOU HOW SHE FELT AFTER SHE· USED IT?

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IT GAVE HER ENERGY.

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YOU HAD A SERIES OF DISCUSSIONS WITH HER

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ABOUT HER DRUG USE, I ASSUME?

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CORRECT.

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MANY OF THEM TELLING HER TO CLEAN UP HER ACT

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AND STOP DRUG USE?
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"SLOW DOWN."

MAYBE NOT CLEAN IT UP

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COMPLETELY OR DROP IT COMPLETELY.

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GOOD OF A SAMARITAN, BUT AT LEAST TO SLOW DOWN.

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I CAN 1 T SAY I WAS THAT

YOU COULD SEE IT WAS AFFECTING HER LIFE;

COULD YOU NOT?

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YES.

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AND IT WAS NOT A POSITIVE EFFECT, WAS IT?

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YES, EXACTLY.

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YES, IT WAS NOT A POSITIVE?

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IT WAS NOT A POSITIVE EFFECT EXACTLY.

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YOU COULD SEE THAT IT WAS AFFECTING HER

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CHILDREN THE WAY SHE CARED FOR THEM?

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YES.

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DID SHE EVER TELL YOU WHY SHE TGOK THESE-

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DRUGS BESIDES WANTING ENERGY?

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NO.

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DID SHE EVER TELL YOU SHE COULDN 1 T STOP?

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YES.

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DO YOU FEEL SHE WAS ADDICTED?

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YES..

YET I HONESTLY THOUGHT WHEN SHE GOT

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CAUGHT, WHEN THEY WENT FOR THE TRUCK AND WHEN LOUIS GAVE

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HER THAT SECOND CHANCE, I HONESTLY THOUGHT THAT SHE WAS

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MAKING AN ATTEMPT TO PUT HER LIFE TOGETHER AND "YOU GET

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BACK INTO THE REAL WORLD,

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SO TO SPEAK, AS I PUT IT.

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